Одежда, униформа Шотландцев

[Andreas Bornholm]

Инфа по килтам. В частности, о "больших килтах" и "малых килтах". Я так понимаю, нам нужна great kilt, большие килты? Ссылки на килты Блэк Вотч по 40 фунтов, килты там 6 ярдовые (около 5,5 м), вроде как "большие".
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%82

Как обходиться с great kilt
http://www.lindaclifford.com/GreatKiltWrap.html

Чуток о спорранах
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0% ... 0%B0%D0%BD

[Andreas Bornholm]

Интересная тема. Исходя из этого источника, нам нужна расцвета "Блэк Воч модерн", если берём "Чёрную стражу"
http://www.kiltsdirect.com/tartans/Black%20Watch,52

Кстати, по этому сайту, выбрав букву своей фамилии, можно подобрать себе "шотландскую" фамилию, как мы делаем в 172-ом полку.

[M.M. MacConnell]

Вот как выглядел рядовой моего полка на наполеонику -

[Dieter]

Вот попался сегодня магазин...

http://kilt.com.ua/2yards.shtml

[Andreas Bornholm]

Они двухярдовые. Так называемый "малый килт". Нам нужны "грейт килты". 5-8 ярдов. Я кидал ссылки на килты Блэк Вотч 6-ти ярдовые (около 5,5 метров) по 40 фунтов (около 600 грн + около 100-120 грн доставка).

[M.M. MacConnell]

Джентльмены! Скорее всего они продают вещи с одного действительно шотландского сайта ( название запамятовал, вспомню- дам ссылку), но это не шерсть. На первое время пойдёт конечно, но всё равно не то. Потом, дался вам этот блэквоч. Если вспомните историю шотландии, то увидите что это была просто группа наёмников, которые за деньги служили англичанам, шпионя и хватая своих земляков. Уж лучьше Камерон или Аргайл, эти то горцы настоящие, благородные. Впрочем это моё частное мнение.

[Andreas Bornholm]

SERGEANTS DRESS REGULATIONS - CRIMEAN ERA 1854-1855

JACKET: As other ranks, but of finer scarlet wool and double breasted with no front chest loops of lace. Chevrons: 3 on each arm as for Corporals.
SASH: Plain crimson wool. Worn over left shoulder under strap, knotted at right hip.
BALDRIC (Only SERGEANT MAJOR carried a sword): White buff leather. Worn over right shoulder, under strap. Slings attach to rings on scabbard. BELT PLATE: Brass, Regimental.
SWORD: Basket hilt Scottish broadsword. Red fabric basket lining.
SCABBARD: Black leather with brass mountings. Sling rings.
SPORRAN: Badger with head mask, brass cantle, 6 white tassels in brass bells, white leather strap.
All other kit and musket as for other ranks EXCEPT has sword bayonet. Only Sergeant Major wore green ribbon rosettes on edge of kilt apron.
WHITE SHELL JACKET: As for corporals.


А вот на офицера:
http://www.93rdhighlanders.com/officers.html
(посрединке будет на Крым)

[Andreas Bornholm]

Пакистан клепает ещё и гамаши Только нужно будет заменить шлейку под туфель с чёрной на белую Возможны как с чёрными, так и с белыми пуговицами. И всяких "шляп" тут много, но какая именно правильная (и есть ли там вообще правильная? )
http://www.greenlandpipeco.com/dress.htm





Кроме этого сайта ещё много пакистанских сайтов, предлагающих подобную продукцию. Вот только цветовая гамма тартанов у них ограничена. Везде есть БлэкВотч, но нет 93-го. Судя по ценам на пакистанские вещи на е-бее, то эти девайсы должны иметь весьма бюджетные цены (так, пакистанские килты от 20 до 40 фунтов против 80+ фунтов за самый простой килт инкантри мейд Британии, пакистанские волынки - по 10-30 фунтов, в зависимости от комплектации, вобщем - цены как обычно )

[Andreas Bornholm]

А вот и расклады на рядовых и капрала, волынщика и барабанщика.
Что меня повергло в недоумение: строка
KILT: Government (Black Watch) tartan. 19th century Box pleats showing green of sett. No kilt pin. Kilt always worn on guard duty.

Килт - государственный тартан - БлэкВотч.
Ещё на зарисовках оборатил внимание, что у них килты расцветки БлэкВотч, там нет ни белых полос, ни даже плохо просматриваемых, но красных.
Кто прольёт свет на данный вопрос?



DRESS REGULATIONS - CRIMEAN ERA, 1854-1855

JACKET: Brick-red melton wool, well-fulled, heavy weight. Raw edges. Pattern "1836". Single breasted. BACK SKIRTS. TURNBACKS & button not to be seen in front. Lemon Yellow wool Facings (COLLAR, CUFFS and shoulder straps). High Collar forming narrow "V" in front edged all around with white lace, a loop of lace on both sides of neck set in the middle & starting from the front edge of lace & pointed in the back. SHOULDER STRAPS ends squared off & corners cut, edged around in lace, small Reg'tl button near collar. CUFFS, round, with "slash" of red wool scalloped in 3 points, slash set on front of sleeve, scallops pointing toward little finger, 4 loops of lace set on slash equidistant, RegХtl button on each loop. SHOULDER WINGS of red jacket wool, edged all round with lace & with 5 single lines of lace equidistant apart from shoulder seam edge to outer edge, wings to have thick coarse white woolen tufts at outer edges. POCKET to be let into front right side of jacket behind 3rd from bottom lace loop on the front for cap pouch. Vertically-set FALSE POCKET FLAPS on tails. White wool turnbacks on tails, tails lined in white wool.
LACE: Plain White worsted wool. Loops to be straight pointed. On edges of collar including seam edge at jacket & two collar loops. Edges of shoulder straps. 10 button loops on front, equidistant. 4 each cuff slash. 4 each back pocket flap spaced evenly both ends squared. All edges of wings and 5 single lines on wings evenly spaced. Triangle at back center waist, above tails, between waist buttons. Outside edges of turnbacks.
BUTTONS: Convex, round pewter. 93 surmounted by crown. Crown points to the head.
KILT: Government (Black Watch) tartan. 19th century Box pleats showing green of sett. No kilt pin. Kilt always worn on guard duty.
TREWS: Undress uniform. Government tartan or gray wool. Front fly buttons hidden. Stove pipe legs. High waisted, jacket must overlap top as with kilt.
SPORRAN: Black hair, with 6 white tassels in brass bells, narrow brass cantle, white buff leather belt with brass buckle. Worn on all active service.
BONNET: Feathered bonnet over wire cage, height approximately 12". Bottom edging of black ribbon, narrow. Black ribbon drawstring, functional, tied in bow in center back worn long to shoulder. Dicing of wool alternating red and white only. Black leather chin strap. Six "Fox tails" of ostrich feather to hang down on right side. Waterproof bonnet cover to be carried inside bonnet. When on guard duty bonnets will be covered immediately after sunset, & uncovered, weather permitting, at 8 am.


COCKADE: Black ribbon rosette. On left side of bonnet towards front.

BADGE: Regimental 93rd brass badge, with Cape of Good Hope scroll underneath insignia. Worn on cockade.

HACKLE: All white vulture feather. On left side of bonnet attached behind cockade.

GLENGARRY:Navy blue wool, red & white dicing only. Ribbons in back worn long, no bow. Black ribbon cockade on left front. Brass Regimental glengarry badge fixed to cockade. Worn in undress or fatigue duty.
SHOES: Full Dress: Buckle shoes (no spats). Plain, black leather. Low quartered. BUCKLES: Plain, oval, brass. All other Dress: Black leather ankle bootee, with spats.
SPATS: White canvas. 8 plain, round, flat white bone buttons each. Leather or canvas instep strap. Not worn in full dress.
KILT HOSE: Wool, red & white diced. Cuff top, turned down over 1/2 the garter. Full hose mandatory for full dress. Hose tops allowed in field with spats.
GARTERS: Red worsted ribbon. Ends cut swallowtail (V) shape. Tied in rosette, ends worn long to the ankle. NECKSTOCK: Black leather, stiff. Worn over shirt collar. Buckled or tied in back with black leather or ribbon. No shirt collar to be visible above stock or jacket collar.
KNAPSACK: Trotter style. Square wood frame covered in black canvas or black oilcloth. White buff leather straps. Black metal buckles. Smaller than 1814 model, with pocket in flap.
BLANKET: Gray wool. Carried rolled & strapped at top of knapsack.
CARTRIDGE BOX: Basic design as Rawles pattern, holds 50 rounds & 100 caps. Stiff, heavy black leather. Wood cartridge core. White buff leather shoulder sling. Worn on right hip, sling over left shoulder, under shoulder strap. Waist belt worn over sling to hold box down.
WAIST BELT: White buff leather. WAIST BELT CLASP of "locket & spoon" style, Brass, 93rd Regimental insignia. White leather flap behind clasp.
BAYONET SCABBARD:1853 Enfield pattern. Black leather. Brass mountings. Worn at left hip from white leather Enfield FROG on waist belt.
HAVERSACK: White cotton or linen. Shoulder strap of same material with brass buckle. Worn at right hip under cartridge box, waist belt over. Slung over left shoulder under shoulder strap.
CANTEEN: Round, flat wooden. Wooden stopper with leather thong attached. Body painted medium blue, stopper not painted. 93 & Board of Ordnance arrow mark above in white on face. Company number & other markings at discretion of commanding officer. Sling of russet leather with brass buckle. Worn at left hip, under waist belt & under right shoulder strap.
CAP POUCH: Natural brown or russet leather. Flap secured with brass stud. Carried in pocket let into jacket behind 3rd from bottom lace loop on right side. Carried on waist belt, right side if in white jacket.
MESS KIT: Kidney ("D") shape. Tin, 3 section. Carried in black oilcloth cover on top-center of knapsack, with white leather strap.
MUSKET: 1853 Enfield 3 Band rifled musket (1851 Minie rifled musket used at Alma & Balaklava).
SLING: White buff leather with brass buckle.
BAYONET: For 1853 Enfield musket. Socket mount, locking ring, triangular blade. Shined.
GLOVES: White, woven woolen or cotton. Worn in Full Dress or on guard duty.
SHOULDER PLAID: Government tartan. Rectangular. Attached back of left shoulder & at right waist. Full Dress only.
GREATCOAT: Gray Oxford wool, heavy. Long caped overcoat. Double breasted. Pewter Regimental buttons. In campaign carried en banderolle over left shoulder, ends tied together on hip with string.
UNDRESS JACKET: White wool. 1854 shell jacket pattern. Collar high. No lace. Sleeves to mid hand, cuffs slit in.
HAIR: Mustachios & beards were allowed in the Crimea. Head hair relatively short.

CORPORALS

All as other ranks. Addition of two chevrons of lace on each sleeve centered above elbow, to form right-angles extending to within half an inch of the seams of the sleeve. Each chevron a double bar of lace with half an inch of yellow showing between & above each bar. Worn heraldically improper, that is the point downwards. On white jacket, chevrons are red.

PIPERS

JACKET: As for ranks, with scarlet wool, except Inverness skirts in front & back instead of tails. Shoulder wings have scalloped edges in 3 rows instead of tufts. Silver buttons, including 3 on each skirt. No lace on jacket, edges piped in white. 3 buttons on each cuff slash. Chevrons of rank on sleeve if applicable (Pipe Major - an honourary title only until 1854 - is equivalent to corporal or sergeant).
WEAPONS & BELTS: Black leather baldric, worn under plaid. Square silver buckle, slide & tip with crowned thistle. Brass hilted broadsword, red cloth basket lining. Scabbard black leather. Black leather Dirk belt with silver buckle, black leather scabbard with silver mounts, Dirk with silver mounts.
SPORRAN: White hair with 6 black tassels & brass bells, narrow brass cantle with edge of black leather, thistle ornament below cantle. Black belt.
PIPER'S PLAID: Government tartan. Worn over left shoulder. Round silver brooch fastening plaid at left shoulder.
PIPES: BAG of Government tartan. Twisted red and yellow drone cords & carrying a number of narrow yellow, blue & green ribbon streamers. Banner on great drone, Union Jack with scarlet circle with 93 in scarlet figures on a yellow ground with a crown above the circle, & under the circle a scroll bearing the words "Nemo Me Impune Lacessit".
HOSE: Red & green diced. Garters as ranks.
SHOES: Low quartered, black leather buckle shoes with square silver buckles.
GLENGARRY: Dark blue (navy) wool with red tourie. Black ribbon cockade. Regimental brass badge on cockade.1 or 2 eagle feathers attached behind cockade. Feather bonnet for full dress.
All other kit as for other ranks EXCEPT no musket, bayonet, waist belt, cartridge box, cap pouch.

DRUMMERS

JACKET: As other ranks but with Regimental DRUMMER LACE (white, having 3 equal divisions; the centre consisting of bars of yellow and black twisted diagonally and in the centre of the 2 outer divisions a crimson coloured stripe) also covering all seams, 6 chevrons each sleeve points heraldic proper (down) evenly spaced down length of sleeve. Lace fringe worn at back of the waist between the 2 buttons, being a white bar half an inch wide with dependent fringe of white alternating with yellow, black and crimson.
SWORD, BALDRIC & SCABBARD as for sergeants.
All other kit as for other ranks EXCEPT no musket, bayonet, cartridge box, cap pouch.
DRUM: Wood rope tension. Red hoops top & bottom. White cords and white leather tabs. Attached or painted front panel of Regimental insignia. Wood drumsticks. White buff leather sling with brass buckles.
BUGLE: Brass. Red & yellow bugle cords.

[Alex Richter]

Борхольм,ты че гонишь по ненашему?! Ты пальцем покажи

[Andreas Bornholm]

Так вначале я перевёл, что меня удивило. Это выдержка из описания комплекта рядового, касаемая килта 93-го. Так вот там написано, что на Краймиан вор, на Крым, килтом 93-го был Говермент (правительственный) тартан - расцветки БлэкВотч.

[Alex Richter]

Кратенький у тебя перевод.

[Andreas Bornholm]

Всё остальное и на картинках видно. Вопрос по килтам: действительно ли 93-ий носил килты расветки тартана БлэкВотч, как его обозвали - "правительственный тартан" (government tartan)

[Walter Lenz]

Борнхольму зачет.
Кто бы мог подумать, что Пакистан шьет форму горцев

[Dieter]

93-й...

[Dieter]

Обвес и еще кое-что - http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~thinr ... s_1854.htm

[Dieter]

Красивое фото 42-го...

[Wolfgang Priem]

http://lavka.velizariy.kiev.ua/kc/koza.html сумочки вам такие не подойдут?

[Andreas Bornholm]

Похожего вроде нет?..

[von Lutzov]

Сегодня наши " крестные" предоставили образцы боннетных полковых знаков, бляхи на поясной ремень, образцы всех пуговиц 93-го полка , пряжки на обувь и прочие маленькие радости для настоящих горцев Аргайла.